[00:03] Metcalf: spl 1, <1 | jmn -1, #1+2+4+8 (a snippet i found on koen) [00:08] Here's my poor benchmark result: http://rafb.net/p/r7Xkla17.html [00:10] dont get depressed over the scores, the only way is up :) [00:11] You're right... :| [00:15] yay, theres an error in both of the hackthissite-articles [00:16] sh0ne, you have an account there? [00:16] yes [00:17] in /985, the first line of dwarf is add #4, @3 , this is not what the original dwarf was, and it will not run properly [00:17] it should be add #4, 3 [00:18] I'll tell them [00:19] same problem has propagated on /986 , and there is a error in the understanding SPL [00:20] spl $1 will compile into spl $1, $0 [00:20] this misunderstanding comes from the writer thinking that spl.b will use b-field (because of the .b) for the address to split to [00:21] spl (and jmp) ignore modifiers, always using the address in a-field [00:23] this is stricly for compatibility reasons, so that warriors written in '88 will work in '94 [00:32] also, /986 uses term "bishot" which as a term is different from what the author meant [00:33] he probably meant "b-scanner", which still isnt exactly by how he determines it, but ill let that one pass [00:36] Well, Mizcu, I don't know english that good to explain him exacly what's wrong, I mean for "ADD #4, 3" staff I told them what's wrong, but for the rest I don't know to properly explain to them :( [00:36] does the site have a system for user2user -messages? [00:37] I think [00:37] then you can just copy my comments straight and send them to him [00:38] OK, I'll send them that way.. [00:38] (and maybe a note that if he has any additional questions about corewars/redcode, ask either here on irc, or straight from me, ) [00:39] OK [00:43] oh, the two articles are written by different authors, well, that kinda explains why they had different style of formatting [00:58] (goddamnit.. ive been having a project of making an "intermediate" benchmark, but my current benchmark is missing one warrior, and i STILL dont know what should i put there..) [01:03] Mizcu: I've sent them comments, just like you said... [01:03] right [01:06] OK, guys, it's 3AM here and I'm going to sleep now. See you tomorrow ;) [01:06] its only 4am here, whats the worry? [01:07] :D [01:07] Bye Mirzu [01:07] *Mizcu [01:10] MSG: Quit: Leaving [01:55] hmm, still a few hours before Met pops up.. [02:21] heheh [02:21] i had an amusing idea [02:22] is there any warrior famous enough that people would recognize it just by looking at the display of its execution on the screen? [02:23] not really, unless you count imp or dwarf [02:23] bluefunk can be recognized, but you cant print in on a shirt [02:24] Son of Vain [02:24] i know my old dear Imperactive, but that doesnt count [02:25] hehe [02:25] embroidery > printing in this case [02:25] dots and dashes and x's [02:25] i realized it'd look pretty good [02:26] but extremely nerdy [02:26] :P [02:27] thats an interesting question really, since most of warriors are all the same graphically [02:28] Impfinity 3i1 [02:28] yeah, but the combinations of visual things i thought might vary [02:28] not talking after 80k cycles [02:28] Porch Swing.. [02:29] second problem is the enviroment [02:29] i recognize warriors on 80*50 symbol pmars, but not on 80*25, or corewin [02:30] yeah [02:31] corewin would work best for what i had in mind though [05:30] hmm.. must be the first time ever id need a djz.. [07:50] Join: sh0ne joined #corewars [09:05] Good morning, ppl [09:07] welcome back [09:08] Hi, man [09:08] Can you tell me what's wrong with this code http://rafb.net/p/IVxA2840.html [09:09] the backward-clear should work, but the forward doesnt (didnt actually check on pmars) [09:10] I wanted to write code that does this: ...DAT,DAT,DAT,DAT<---mycode--->DAT,DAT,DAT,DAT... [09:10] the forward-clear doesnt work because the post-increment (>) happens BEFORE an instruction is put to place, causing the increase to be overwritten by a dat 0,0 [09:13] the forward-clear can be repaired by replacing the latter mov with mov 3, >3 and the latter dat with dat #0, #1 [09:14] (also, interesting last name.. Slovenia?) [09:15] No, no...read it backwards [09:17] well, it does sound less Slavic backwards.. [09:17] It's Ristic.....serbian [09:18] Acctually it's Ristić [09:18] i thought Serbian was in same timezone as Finland, well, nevermind that [09:19] Serbia, not Serbian. Makes me look like a yankee to call a nation "Serbian" [09:20] You?... I would say (according to the last name and your timezone) Romania?? Am I right? [09:21] no, im a Finn, as i mentioned above [09:22] also, where did you pull off my last name? [09:24] Oh sorry, I assumed your nick is your last name...I don't know why I assumed that....:) [09:25] Cause the Romanians has such names... [09:25] yeah, id assume the same [09:26] Their names and last names mostly ends with "cu", like Popescu, Johnescu, Iancu etc [09:27] Oh, I would love to live in Finland.... [09:54] id like to spend some time philosophising why Balkans are such an unstable area, but without even having been around, i can only give overbroad generalizations [09:59] Believe me, I live here all my life and I still don't understand that...I think that's because all Balkan people are very similar, thus they cannot live with each other in peace [14:22] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [14:22] Hi :-) [14:22] I've been trying to make a nano stone/imp, but not much success yet [14:22] Hi [14:26] Hi Sh0ne, how's it going? [14:29] OK, I did a little benchmarking and thinking how to improve my warrior [14:30] I experiment with a Redcode a little...just to learn it better [14:31] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:31] Join: Metcalf joined #corewars [14:32] Which benchmark are you using? [14:32] Wilkinson I think [15:13] Join: Neo_offic joined #corewars [15:18] Hi Neo [15:25] Hi Metcalf [16:04] Hey, I just created (in 45 minutes) my personal site, where I will post my warrior sources and benchmarks https://sites.google.com/site/sh0newars/ [16:05] What do you think, guys? [16:05] It's not much, but for the start... [16:05] greets [16:06] good afternoon [16:06] how goes Mr Neo? [16:06] s0newars... :) [16:06] :) [16:06] fine, and you? [16:06] it goes well.. I'm a little snarly today however. [16:08] hmm.. problems? [16:10] yeah.. I'm hungry! :) [16:10] heh [16:10] sh0ne: It would be good if we can see the code online [16:11] OK, I'll put it online and I'll put the links to all corewars sites I find... [16:45] Join: OoS joined #corewars [16:46] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:51] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [16:56] Join: OoS joined #corewars [17:16] OoS: tell me, do you know of a Q^2 or ^3 that has been written to be easy to understand? [17:25] i dont need an intro on QScans myself, i just noticed that proto-wilmiz has 3 qscans of which none are written to be understandable [17:30] How about the one in CoreWarrior? [17:32] there are Q^2 ^3 ^4 and ^4.5 -articles in corewarrior, plus a dozens of warriors with atleast one of them [17:32] This issue, http://corewar.co.uk/cw/cw084.txt - article by He Who Must Not Be Mentioned! [17:33] id rather not include a version with that inversion-calculation [17:34] You could just remove it? [17:34] i also though about adding blotter ( http://users.ociw.edu/birk/COREWAR/94/HILL/blotter.red ) to te benchmark, it scores mostly like the others, and paper/clear surely is not a common variant [17:35] (since i already have all the s/p/sc that are needed, only uncommon variants missing) [17:46] Join: Fluffy joined #corewars [17:46] hi Fluff [17:46] :) [17:47] Long time without cw [17:47] and you should be ashamed for that [17:48] Yes, actually 0.001% of me is ashamed. [17:48] Fluffy! [17:49] Hi JM! [17:49] I'm sure you didn't abandon us without good reason, and I'm glad to see you back. :-) [17:49] I didn't abandon you, but I had to take care about several problems [17:50] One had to do with getting enough money [17:50] It is still not "enough" money [17:50] It probably never will, but that's ok [17:51] Welcome back to cw, Fluffy! :D [17:51] Did you get my email? [17:51] Oos: http://users.evtek.fi/~mikaos/bench.txt (its still the same..) [17:52] Mizcu: Moore's paper? [17:53] Hi Neo! [17:53] It seems as if nothing interesting has happend. [17:53] almost no submissions to '94nop :( [17:54] OoS: too offensive [17:54] OoS: well.. 124 wilkies, 98 wilfiz [17:55] Oos: i also thought about using Shrubbery's paper, but thats also a bit voodoo (actually, its double-strange, but nevermind that..) [17:55] How about the paper by Kline which inspired Moore? [17:55] do tell? [18:01] Will look after I've eaten [18:05] Well ... then I might be here more often ... [18:05] holy fuck! [18:05] it's fluffy! [18:05] Time to return to some traditions [18:05] * Fluffy kicks bvowky [18:06] * bvowk bitchslaps fluffy for old times sake [18:06] where you been? [18:06] Never moved much [18:06] Playing with huge machines and cars [18:06] huge machines? [18:07] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:07] not machines I'd be interested in eh? [18:07] * bvowk is always on the lookout for computrons [18:08] well ... I have to do that "software" part. [18:08] quite a lot of fun [18:08] I see [18:08] Every day something new fails [18:08] I've been hacking at tiny since you left pretty much. [18:08] Yes, I've seen, but so far you haven't tackled '94nop [18:08] I also need you to make py-corewars work on freebsd-sparc and a couple other esoteric machines [18:08] >:/ [18:09] I had MWR didn't i? [18:09] huh? 3 1/2 submissions or was it 4? [18:09] bvowk: offtopic: tell me, is there nowadays a laptop-manufacturer whose systems arent shiite? [18:09] So it didn't rule that long [18:09] are what? [18:10] I work on a Dell Latidtude d630 and it seems to be ok [18:11] mizcu: lenovo's higher end notebooks don't suck, fujitsu makes some nice ones that don't fall apart under real use.. [18:11] despite being older than 6 months, but I've already requested a new one [18:11] and I quite like my hackbook [18:11] I've never really liked dells notebooks.. [18:11] hate acers [18:11] then take an Eeeeeeeeeee PeeeeCeeee [18:11] toughbooks are ok [18:11] that's computing power! [18:22] hrm [18:24] * Fluffy switches off his last living brain cell [18:24] MSG: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906] [18:25] dammit. [18:26] I was just coming back to talk some more. [18:26] Damn Europeans always hanging around during my working hours. [18:31] Join: OoS joined #corewars [18:35] How about the paper from Snoopy? [18:36] snoopy? [18:39] Part: Neo_offic left #corewars [18:40] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:43] Join: OoS joined #corewars [18:45] MSG: Quit: Leaving [18:47] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [18:49] Join: OoS joined #corewars [18:50] Does anyone know which country Alan Wang is from? [18:50] Google didn't help [19:13] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [19:32] Join: Neogryzor joined #corewars [19:57] MSG: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:11] Anyone awake? [20:12] meh [20:14] Mizcu, do you remember in which warrior D.Moore used the paper-launched imps for first time?, (i think was moor, but not sure) [20:15] I mean, a paper using imp-step [20:17] fugitive [20:17] binary launched paperimps was themystery [20:17] no, it wasnt [20:17] it was Die Hard [20:17] wow, thanks. Good memory! [20:18] Die hard used vortex i think [20:18] hmm [20:19] we are both wrong [20:20] first Vortex was minireturn of jedimp, Die Hard used sort of drunken vector-launch [20:20] drunken? :P [20:21] it doesnt really use a table, but instead spl #0, spl istep*2, spl istep, imp [20:21] i dont know what to call it, ok? [20:22] ok, ok.. [20:33] hrm. [20:37] mrh [21:11] Join: johnkw joined #corewars [21:13] hmm.. it's taking me a long time to describe my warrior library... [21:14] mine is easy [21:14] cluttery [21:16] heh. I'm actully describing the warriors in it. Not all, of course. [21:17] i want to publish all my (working) warriors [21:31] Miz, i've got another question... [21:32] try me [21:34] * bvowk notes that mizcu's core-fu is strong [21:35] Do you remember wich of my warriors was Koth at 94Nop hill? [21:37] the Boss, when the hill was not datted [21:37] In Koth.org i mean [21:38] LotIR was never an Koth [21:39] and considering its '360 on Koen, i kinda doubt my memory [21:39] though i admit, i dont remember any esoterica you havent published [21:40] (i guess its good behaviour when anything not opensource is simply forgotten no matter how good it was) [21:40] No it wasn't [21:40] I surely have the code but can't remember wich one was... :/ [21:41] * Neogryzor checks JM logs... [21:42] you might want to spend time on the the hill-timebackmachine [21:42] where is that? [21:44] Fluffys website [21:46] ok, got it, Thanks anyway [21:55] Join: sh0ne joined #corewars [22:57] MSG: